new subwoofer help

[hardcore_gamer99]

Do you still get deep bass? What setting has given you the chest hitting bass?

135 degree phase lfe+mains cross at 120hz but music is NULL no bass

 

[Saiganesh]

I played a song these are sound metre results on all phases

Dont play song. Play only 80hz continuous file

Use this and make sure inside low frequency effect settings subwoofer has crossover at 100hz.
And dont rely on personal hearing judgment. Use the sound meter app.

I guarantee you 100% result. I can travel to your place and do it once to show you the result. Dont pay any installer...pay me instead for to and fro...if i dont get you the result dont pay me.
Just assuring and asserting about how confident i am on this. Have be reading all your post. I only see all your complains related to distance, phase and crossover settings. Norhing else!!

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

actually i today ran 20hz to 90hz bass loop in youtube. the the thing is very low frequency like 20 30 40 50 60 was very deep and good then for 70 hz it felt like i must move my chair to right side only 3 inches then 70 was also deep but then 80 was not good . so this means i cant get all frequencies with accuracy at one place and I CANT JUST KEEP MOVING MY CHAIR i will never do subwoofer crawl test i am done now

 

[Saiganesh]

Do you still get deep bass? What setting has given you the chest hitting bass?

Deep bass is not the way to go. What will happen when phase mismatched is- some frequencies - say a 80hz bass because of phase mis match will play like 60hz or 50hz or anything - depending on the level of phase mismatch. This will sound interesting but not the intended music and the timing will not match exactly.
When you do phase matching properly there will be sharper bass. Initially after phase mmatching - I personally dint like some beats, but after listening to it i would never revert. Bass becomes sharp to the point. Without phase match bass sounds blunt, null and incomplete.

 

[ajuvignesh]

Deep bass is notnthe way to go. What will happen when phase mismatched is- some frequencies - say a 80hz bass because of phase mis match will play like 60hz or 50hz or anything - depending on the level of phase mismatch. This will sound interesting but not the intended music and the timing will not match exactly.
When you do phase matching properly there will be sharper bass. Initially after phase mmatching - I personally dint like some beats, but after listening to it i would never revert. Bass becomes sharp to the point. Without phase match bass sounds blunt, null and complete.

Phase doesn’t change the frequency at all. It does volume miss matches and phenomenon like comb filtering.

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

Deep bass is not the way to go. What will happen when phase mismatched is- some frequencies - say a 80hz bass because of phase mis match will play like 60hz or 50hz or anything - depending on the level of phase mismatch. This will sound interesting but not the intended music and the timing will not match exactly.
When you do phase matching properly there will be sharper bass. Initially after phase mmatching - I personally dint like some beats, but after listening to it i would never revert. Bass becomes sharp to the point. Without phase match bass sounds blunt, null and incomplete.

Indian music original audio cd its a complete null with phase at 135

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

Phase doesn’t change the frequency at all. It does volume miss matches and phenomenon like comb filtering.

What to do then

 

[Saiganesh]

Indian music original audio cd its a complete null with phase at 135

Saying AGAIN- dont use songs for phase matching

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

Saying AGAIN- dont use songs for phase matching

I used loop 80hz. Also 20 to 70hz loop. I am just saying music is lifeless indian movies good though

 

[Saiganesh]

I used loop 80hz. Also 20 to 70hz loop. I am just saying music is lifeless indian movies good though

Nice and did yoi use sound meter?
How about front full range, distribution -20db
And subwoofer crossover to -100hz?

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

Nice and did yoi use sound meter?
How about front full range, distribution -20db
And subwoofer crossover to -100hz?

i did not see much difference when i set speaker crossover 80 90 100 110 120. lfe+mains engaged. and and lfe at 120hz. If i set distribution to -20db there is some new setting that appeared below lpf for lfe under subwoofer settings. it asked for speaker frequency 40/60/80/90 etc.
My umik 1 mic just arrived. will unbox it sooon

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

! thing is that if just put the subwoofer to the right of chair bass is very deep and everything is good. is this possible where you are sitting and just to the lefet or right of chair bass can be very good? I thought we had to just put in front only between or outside of fronts

 

[ssf]

! thing is that if just put the subwoofer to the right of chair bass is very deep and everything is good. is this possible where you are sitting and just to the lefet or right of chair bass can be very good? I thought we had to just put in front only between or outside of fronts

In HT applications, subwoofer can be placed anywhere in the room including near where you are sitting. If the crossover is set to 80 Hz or below, bass will be non directional. It will not cause a problem as Audyssey will set the distances, delay etc. If you try to use the sub in Pure Direct mode setting the LFE to LFE + Main for two channel music listening, then there could be a bit of a problem as the sub and the stereo speakers are in different places and in Pure Direct Mode, Audyssey is disabled.

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

In HT applications, subwoofer can be placed anywhere in the room including near where you are sitting. It will not cause a problem as Audyssey will set the distances, delay etc. If you try to use the sub in Pure Direct mode setting the LFE to LFE + Main for two channel music listening, then there could be a bit of a problem as the sub and the stereo speakers are in different places and in Pure Direct Mode, Audyssey is disabled.

i dont use pure or impure mode. I use only stereo or multi channel stereo only for movies and music both

 

[ssf]

i dont use pure or impure mode. I use only stereo or multi channel stereo only for movies and music both

There is no impure mode. If you are using only Stereo or multi channel stereo or any of the movie modes, then there will not be any issues. BTW, why multi channel stereo ? Any of the other movie modes will be better for movies.

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

There is no impure mode. If you are using only Stereo or multi channel stereo, then there will not be any issues.

or i use dts hd or mix for movies as well. Also i sat distribution to -20db this setting has appeared and saw this first time

 

[ssf]

or i use dts hd or mix for movies as well. Also i sat distribution to -20db this setting has appeared and saw this first time

I will never recommend you to use the distribution setting.

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

I will never recommend you to use the distribution setting.

what negative impact it will have

 

[ssf]

what negative impact it will have

It will send the .1 movie channel bass which is in the range of 3 Hz to 120 Hz to your small bookshelf speakers which, forget LFE, cannot play full range itself. This is used with very large floor standing speakers which might have their own dedicated subwoofer and can reproduce very low frequencies.

With this setting, if you play too loud, there are chances of your speakers and amp getting overstressed and might distort or go into protection mode. Add to that, you have 4 Ohm speakers !!!

Not trying to scare you or anything but if you are using this setting, do it with care.

Edit:

Now that you have finalised your speaker placements, you can try setting your speakers to small, crossover to 80, LFE to LFE and check what difference it will make to the sound. This is the safest settings for your setup and if you are getting good results with it, I recommend that you keep this setting.

 

[hardcore_gamer99]

It will send the .1 movie channel bass which is in the range of 3 Hz to 120 Hz to your small bookshelf speakers which, forget LFE, cannot play full range itself. This is used with very large floor standing speakers which might have their own dedicated subwoofer and can reproduce very low frequencies.

With this setting, if you play too loud, there are chances of your speakers and amp getting overstressed and might distort or go into protection mode. Add to that, you have 4 Ohm speakers !!!

Not trying to scare you or anything but if you are using this setting, do it with care.

Edit:

Now that you have finalised your speaker placements, you can try setting your speakers to small, crossover to 80, LFE to LFE and check what difference it will make to the sound. This is the safest settings for your setup and if you are getting good results with it, I recommend that you keep this setting.

first there is no option in my x4800h to set small its FULL/40/60/80/90/100 SO ON and only lfe i dont think it will sound good and i guess in music woofer will not play at ALL