Sony launches a new Blu-ray player at Rs. 9,999/-

[sachin_k5]

Can somebody talk about this player's 2 channel audio capabilities ?

 

[TechHead]

Hi,

I got a Sony BDP-S373 for 110$ from the UK last month. <10k in India for this player is a great price. The video and audio quality is exceptional.

It plays DVD-A and SACD as well.

Cheers to all who are planning to buy this one.

Regards
Jag

No way it plays DVD-A mate.. no way

 

[gobble]

No way it plays DVD-A mate.. no way

Sony was part of the DVD-A team. However for reasons of profit they decided not to push it and back blue-ray instead. I have seen a PC DVD drive from Sony that claimed DVD-A support. So it is not impossible although unlikely for market reasons.

Cheers

 

[TechHead]

^PC DVD drives only require hardware soundcard support for DVD-A.. case in point being Creative's Media Source software bundled with their Audigy soundcards..
DVD-Audio disappoints on the PC - The Tech Report

 

[gobble]

^PC DVD drives only require hardware soundcard support for DVD-A.. case in point being Creative's Media Source software bundled with their Audigy soundcards..
DVD-Audio disappoints on the PC - The Tech Report

It looks like you have inferred an incorrect conclusion on reading that article. The article never mentions that a DVD-A player source was tried. It is possible
an MLP encoded file was attempted to be played from HDD using the creative card.

Sometime last year, I posted a link to the original DVD-A specs pdf published by the group that defined the standards. Search for it. Here is another whitepaper http://patches.sonic.com/pdf/white-papers/wp_dvd_audio.pdf

HTH
Cheers

 

[vpriyan]

If this player has USB option with mkv support then that would be great

 

[kapvin]

not directly on topic but contextual as far as low cost bd players are concerned..

Vijay Sales and Reliance Digital are running an offer on the Phillips BDp-3000.
@ Rs 11990 plus 2 BD movies (Didn't check which ones)

Sony centres (Excl. sony brand shops) in both mumbai and Bangalore are running the offer on BDP-s370 @ Rs 9790+2 movies + hdmi Cable (pretty decent quality for a freebie)

for me the sony was a no brainer ( i purchased 2!), but for the many people who have unkind things to say about sony, the philips may make a lot of sense

 

[psychotropic]

someone seems to have fallen hook, line and sinker for the MPAA and RIAA's campaign that piracy = theft . This is quite amusing. There's a lot of sensible literature on the internet explaining why piracy is not the same as theft. Yes it's illegal, but it's not theft. It's also illegal to tap someone's phone, but that's not theft either.

I admire the passion with which you comply with the law. Now if you mixed that with a judicious understanding of the concepts involved, it would probably be useful for you and for people against whom you rave and rant .

I would think, that is a relfection of the quality of the 'pirated' DVD, not the player. It's not like the player is discriminating. There is no way, for the player to know that you are playing a pirated or original disk.


By the way, since you are referring to pirated DVDs, comparing the cost with Blu-ray prices, makes no sense. As for original DVDs, they cost anywhere between Rs. 40/- and Rs. 399/- Since, you are happy with pirated DVDs, obviously quality is not of much importance to you anyhow, so the Rs. 40/ DVDs should be just fine for you. By the way, even the price of Blu-rays start at Rs. 499/-


Aah, the old unaffordabilty excuse. Arre yaar chori karte ho to atleast have the balls to openly admit it, instead of making flimsy excuses. By the way, I can't afford the really nice looking car I saw in the store today. I suppose that means, I have the moral right to steal it, or at the very least buy a stolen one.


Nahi nahi, ofcourse you are not promoting 'piracy'. It's just that due to our poor comprehension of the English language, it just seems like you are promoting piracy. Also, ofcourse you are absolutely right, it's not your fault that you bought stolen goods, pirated DVDs etc. after all you were FORCED TO BUY them. Just like 'Surender Koli' is not guilty of raping and murdering those girls. After all woh kya karta, he did not have any other way of gratfiying his sexual urges, so he was 'FORCED TO RAPE & MURDER'.

 

[kapvin]

someone seems to have fallen hook, line and sinker for the MPAA and RIAA's campaign that piracy = theft . This is quite amusing. There's a lot of sensible literature on the internet explaining why piracy is not the same as theft. Yes it's illegal, but it's not theft. It's also illegal to tap someone's phone, but that's not theft either.

I admire the passion with which you comply with the law. Now if you mixed that with a judicious understanding of the concepts involved, it would probably be useful for you and for people against whom you rave and rant .

hey isn't this really off topic, again? maybe we should have a seperate thread on piracy it's meaning and ramifications, both legal and moral. but just to respond briefly (and be further OT)- i've read a lot about piracy, and while the distinction between fair use and piracy is made eloquently and IMHO, convincingly, at no point is piracy, not seen as a crime (well I did not check the torrent sites, piratebay )

the other point is, if you have to use pirated stuff, (and no judgement on anyone here), why pay anything at all, you can copy the any BD/DVD for free- and control the quality-size trade off fully, why enrich the parallel economy?

 

[KDM]

Sony BDP-S370 Blu-ray player review - from the experts at whathifi.com

What HiFi's review is positive:

Whatever type of disc is being played, the S370 is the most potent deck at this price point today. Blu-ray images boast remarkable depth and clarity the attention to detail during Terminator Salvation is spectacular.

Whether listening to Faithless on SACD or the Gorillaz on CD, the Sonys extra insight and excellent timing ensures youre thoroughly entertained.

I'll be looking into one of these, one of these days.

 

[psychotropic]

hey kapvin, i agree it's OT, i'll stop with this post. I am not saying that piracy is not illegal. I am just laughing at the comparison between piracy and theft, like in those ridiculous "you wouldn't steal a car, so why steal a movie?" anti-piracy ads.

Piracy is illegal because yes there is a law that says it is illegal. The jurisprudential and moral issues regarding copyright laws as they exist now can take up a whole different discussion, and all I would say right now is that the law right now, is an ass. (again i am not saying there shouldn't be copyright laws, just that the copyright laws in their current form are dangerous).

PS. everything that's illegal is not a crime. Although yes, in India currently, and unfortunately, copyright infringement is also a criminal offence.

hey isn't this really off topic, again? maybe we should have a seperate thread on piracy it's meaning and ramifications, both legal and moral. but just to respond briefly (and be further OT)- i've read a lot about piracy, and while the distinction between fair use and piracy is made eloquently and IMHO, convincingly, at no point is piracy, not seen as a crime (well I did not check the torrent sites, piratebay )

the other point is, if you have to use pirated stuff, (and no judgement on anyone here), why pay anything at all, you can copy the any BD/DVD for free- and control the quality-size trade off fully, why enrich the parallel economy?

 

[sanjay0864]

someone seems to have fallen hook, line and sinker for the MPAA and RIAA's campaign that piracy = theft

I or for that matter anyone with even a two bit brain, do not need, the MPAA or the RIAA to tell us what is ethically right or wrong. Fortunately for me, the moral & ethical values instilled by my parents, along with my education, has taught me enough to judge for my self what is right or wrong.

This is quite amusing. There's a lot of sensible literature on the internet explaining why piracy is not the same as theft.

Actually, it is not amusing at all, to see educated people trying to justify their immoralities. I am sure if you were to look, there is more than enough "sensible literature", as you put it, explaining how Islamic "Jihaad" is not the same as terrorism at all and although 'illegal', it is a totally justified act in the eyes of "Allah". After all, one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter. Poor 'Kasab', the Indian government has so unjustifiably incarcerated him, for actions that were merely 'Jihaad' and not the massacre of innocent human lives. I am sure all, or atleast most, thiefs, murders, rapists, terrorists, piraters, etc.. are totally justified in their minds that their acts are only illegal but not immoral or unethical.

Yes it's illegal, but it's not theft. It's also illegal to tap someone's phone, but that's not theft either.

My objections to piracy are unrelated to the legal aspects and are limited primarily to it's ethical/moral ramifications, and in mine, and that of most of the civilized world, piracy is akin to theft. As for your 'phone tapping' example, it's ridiculousness in the context of piracy, speaks for itself.

I admire the passion with which you comply with the law. Now if you mixed that with a judicious understanding of the concepts involved, it would probably be useful for you and for people against whom you rave and rant .

Unfortuntely, I cannot say the same for your support of piracy. Now, if only you would look, at the actual facts instead of justifications of piracy by those that benefit and profit from it, maybe you might do yourself and society as a whole some good. The two biggest sources of funding for worldwide terrorism, specially terrorism targetted at India, are drugs and audio/video piracy. I hope you sleep well knowing, that each time you buy a pirated CD/VCD/DVD, you have just helped in the killing of innocent humans and weakened our countries fight against terrorism.

PS: I am dissapointed that this forum allows the promoting of piracy, even if it is merely in the form of justifying it.

 

[sanjay0864]

I am just laughing at the comparison between piracy and theft, like in those ridiculous "you wouldn't steal a car, so why steal a movie?" anti-piracy ads.

There is absolutely no difference in stealing someone's car or their intellectual property. The absurdity is not the parallel drawn between piracy and theft, but rather in the manner you dismiss it, without a word to back up your statements. If only you were not blinded by your greed and society's general apathy towards morality, you might actually see he foolhardiness of your stand.

Piracy is illegal because yes there is a law that says it is illegal. The jurisprudential and moral issues regarding copyright laws as they exist now can take up a whole different discussion, and all I would say right now is that the law right now, is an ass. (again i am not saying there shouldn't be copyright laws, just that the copyright laws in their current form are dangerous).

You confusing piracy, with copyright laws. For, they are two distinct entities. There may be a very valid debate as to what is, or should constitute piracy, under various copyright laws of different countries. But I am sure that nowhere in the civilized world, is the immorality of piracy itself at debate. If your tirade and objections are to the different 'copyright' laws and their implementation, you will find me standing shoulder to shoulder with you on many aspects of the law. For, I too have serious issues with some of the aspects of various copyright laws in India and elsewhere. Specially, when it comes to what constitutes "fair use". But, to justify the blatant stealing of other people's intellectual property, is not only downright immoral and deplorable, but it is an act, that should be shunned by one and all.

 

[harryanthony]

Can you please take you cock fight to PM, its distracting many.

 

[gobble]

Can you please take you cock fight to PM, its distracting many.

ROFL ROFL :lol:

Now let me join the cockfight with a razor blade attached to my legs

But Sanjay wait a minute, IPR is more politics than ethics, Sorry. Google and you shall find a sh*tloads of books and articles debating this. And if the modern "civilized" world does not debate this because as you imply "they are very clear about their well developed (did you mean *better*?) ethics" , how come there is no official correction about the history of Science and Mathematics as it developed down the ages? Going by your standards, Europeans deserve to be called the biggest crooks of the world, falsely attributing even today, many profound technological innovations and progress to themselves - the credit for which rightfully belong to Asia and Asians. Yes they did indulge in borrowing, innovating, improving on Asian technology as much as Asia did from them - right upto the 19th century!! But that's another story!

Would you agree to the generalization that there is nothing fruitful for mankind in internalizing the moral and ethical preaching of "crooks" and "cheats". These "ethical" twists to the topic are mere "cerebrations" of the western mind, more than a real progress of humanity towards a more just society. Its more about trade protectionism ( fear and insecurity about China for example). The Chinese rip off their designs and improve upon them at lesser cost - this is how the world of science and technology has developed in the last 1000 or so years - and mostly in the reverse direction from Asia to Europe, although they have rarely succeeded in being as cost effective as Asia.

Look around and you will see plenty of examples of how unfair they are in most aspects of life - not *more* unfair than Asians, maybe, but *equally* on the whole. Yes their modern society has more equity for the common man that our societies, but it certainly is not all encompassing. That's why it has to be labeled a mere Cerebration - like most western philosophy compared to Eastern.

-G

PS: I'm only going to respond once in a few days as this is not a priority for me

 

[KonfuSed]

I looooooved Pirates of the Caribbean..

**** now running for cover ****

 

[sanjay0864]

But Sanjay wait a minute, IPR is more politics than ethics, Sorry. Google and you shall find a sh*tloads of books and articles debating this. And if the modern "civilized" world does not debate this because as you imply "they are very clear about their well developed (did you mean *better*?) ethics" , how come there is no official correction about the history of Science and Mathematics as it developed down the ages? Going by your standards, Europeans deserve to be called the biggest crooks of the world, falsely attributing even today, many profound technological innovations and progress to themselves - the credit for which rightfully belong to Asia and Asians. Yes they did indulge in borrowing, innovating, improving on Asian technology as much as Asia did from them - right upto the 19th century!! But that's another story!

Would you agree to the generalization that there is nothing fruitful for mankind in internalizing the moral and ethical preaching of "crooks" and "cheats". These "ethical" twists to the topic are mere "cerebrations" of the western mind, more than a real progress of humanity towards a more just society. Its more about trade protectionism ( fear and insecurity about China for example). The Chinese rip off their designs and improve upon them at lesser cost - this is how the world of science and technology has developed in the last 1000 or so years - and mostly in the reverse direction from Asia to Europe, although they have rarely succeeded in being as cost effective as Asia.

First of all, by pointing out the sins of another, one cannot absolve themselves of sin. Secondly and more importantly, you are confusing the issue of software piracy, with that of the entire 'intellectual property' rights laws. As a matter of fact, you are even confusing it with, 'patent' and 'trademark' laws. Your arguements, as genuine as they may be, have nothing to do with the 'software piracy' issue being discussed here. If I were to release pirated copies of a book you wrote, it would have nothing to do with our ancestors or that of the Europeans. Also, as stated by me earlier, the provisions governing the laws of piracy may be debatable, but the ethics and morality of piracy is not. Piracy in it's simplest form is nothing but stealing. The general Indian's apathy towards piracy and pirated goods, or for that matter even stolen physical goods, is nothing but a reflection of the corrupt and moral less society that we have become. A society where, Me & Mine is all that is left and You & Yours can take a hike.

Piracy/stealing are ethical & moral issues, which each one has to decide for themselves. Thus, arguing this, is pointless and almost impossible without getting personal and so better judgement suggests that we not continue this here. In any case, as far as I know, promoting of piracy is against the 'rules' of this forum and thus is not a subject open for debate here.

 

[KonfuSed]

MODs, please create a separate thread as the thread title and current discussion seems to be totally totally off topic. It might not be irrelevant but this discussion needs a different room altogether.

Anyway, just wanted to update, it seems Philips BDP 3000 is now available for 8990Rs. Can someone confirm this? A friend bought Sony BDP 370 (for Rs. 9790) and the salesman informed the price of Philips. So it seems they are following suit and we are now gonna see the trend of reduced Blu-ray player prices. And I hope that the BD's also come down soon.

 

[psychotropic]

sanjay, calm down. Where in my post did i support piracy? Your passion for the 'cause' is admirable, but it would also be useful if you stuck to the facts.

I am nowhere saying that piracy is right. But to say that piracy is theft is ridiculous. There are many things that are wrong or 'immoral' or 'unethical' in the world, are they all theft?? tax evasion, sand mining, unauthorised construction are all illegal and unethical, are they also theft? Let not your passion for this issue blind you to the facts!

Why are we bringing islamic jihad into all this? I mean I don't expect you to have a nuanced understanding of that either, so let's leave that out of this.

To understand the issues involved in 'piracy' I'd strongly recommend you first understand the differences between the concepts of corporeal property and 'intellectual property', and the critical jurisprudential differences between these two. These things are not as cartoon-ishly straightforward as the RIAA, the MPAA and you believe. If you want a demonstration of how every download and pirated DVD does not even come close to being the equivalent of a lost sale, have a look at this The Piracy Calculator @ Things Of Interest

Let me re-iterare before you blow another gasket, I am not supporting piracy. I don't endorse piracy. I don't download music or movies, I buy CDs and DVDs (mostly for the convenience, but that's another matter). But that doesn't mean I get on some silly bandwagon and start shrieking about piracy.

And oh yes, piracy funding terrorism, you've swallowed that chestnut as well? Well done :clapping: (or are you going to claim you didn't get that from the RIAA and MPAA and concluded that on the basis of your original research?). So I am guessing the pirated DVD sellers in Richie Street are all hand-in-glove with the al qaeda . By the way I have heard that piracy is the main cause of AIDS. So please remember to mention that the next time you get on your soapbox.

All the best in your crusade sanjay, when you eliminate piracy, you will also (due to the causal link between them) eliminate terrorism, AIDS and poverty, and you will be the saviour of this planet. I can't wait. :licklips:

EDIT - I agree this should be in a different thread. Mods can you help? (my very limited moderating powers don't extent to this sub-forum)

I or for that matter anyone with even a two bit brain, do not need, the MPAA or the RIAA to tell us what is ethically right or wrong. Fortunately for me, the moral & ethical values instilled by my parents, along with my education, has taught me enough to judge for my self what is right or wrong.

Actually, it is not amusing at all, to see educated people trying to justify their immoralities. I am sure if you were to look, there is more than enough "sensible literature", as you put it, explaining how Islamic "Jihaad" is not the same as terrorism at all and although 'illegal', it is a totally justified act in the eyes of "Allah". After all, one man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter. Poor 'Kasab', the Indian government has so unjustifiably incarcerated him, for actions that were merely 'Jihaad' and not the massacre of innocent human lives. I am sure all, or atleast most, thiefs, murders, rapists, terrorists, piraters, etc.. are totally justified in their minds that their acts are only illegal but not immoral or unethical.

My objections to piracy are unrelated to the legal aspects and are limited primarily to it's ethical/moral ramifications, and in mine, and that of most of the civilized world, piracy is akin to theft. As for your 'phone tapping' example, it's ridiculousness in the context of piracy, speaks for itself.

Unfortuntely, I cannot say the same for your support of piracy. Now, if only you would look, at the actual facts instead of justifications of piracy by those that benefit and profit from it, maybe you might do yourself and society as a whole some good. The two biggest sources of funding for worldwide terrorism, specially terrorism targetted at India, are drugs and audio/video piracy. I hope you sleep well knowing, that each time you buy a pirated CD/VCD/DVD, you have just helped in the killing of innocent humans and weakened our countries fight against terrorism.

PS: I am dissapointed that this forum allows the promoting of piracy, even if it is merely in the form of justifying it.

 

[kapvin]

I am nowhere saying that piracy is right. But to say that piracy is theft is ridiculous. There are many things that are wrong or 'immoral' or 'unethical' in the world, are they all theft?? tax evasion, sand mining, unauthorised construction are all illegal and unethical, are they also theft? Let not your passion for this issue blind you to the facts!

i could argue that by paying one's taxes one funds naxalites & terrorism!

how..

Naxalism-->well our taxes go to the consolidated fund - which allocates money to the CRPF to buy weapons & ammo - for the CRPF- which of course, we know from recent events, that anytime the naxals are short of guns and ammo, they walk into the closest crpf camp, and help themselves


and as for terrorism--> we know that only 10% of government funds (paid by our taxes) actually trickle down for the actual purpose.. the other 90% are siphoned off by the politicos & officials, who send it abroad through the havala route with your friend neightbourhood don.. and we know who makes money then, don't we?



and oh.. in case you didn't realise-- this was firmly tongue in cheek