Panasonic V20 Owners Thread (Settings, Problems, Impressions, Questions)

[mekasonic]

Last week the LCD/LED TV prices have been substantially lowered by Sony, Samsung. Is there any chance for lowering the Pana Plasma price, at least before Cricket World Cup in Feb'11?

Anyway, 61k is a good bargain price. At Delhi I got the best price 63k.

Hi Amit,
Hazrat Vision quoted 60500.00 which is the least quote i have got.

 

[gobble]

A question to all ye deliriously squealing V20 fans - what is the nearest competitor to this TV 42" or lesser size?

Or if you could not buy this V20 model for some reason, which other model would you pick? hyeah:

I am umm contemplating this purchase by March/April so ...

Edit: So is it confirmed that the V20 as sold in India is really the G20 panel branded as V20 as posted earlier? A fraud pulled by Panny to hoodwink "stupid" Indian consumers?

Cheers

 

[longshanks]

A question to all ye deliriously squealing V20 fans - what is the nearest competitor to this TV 42" or lesser size?

Or if you could not buy this V20 model for some reason, which other model would you pick? hyeah:

The competitor to the V20 will be Samsung 6500 plasma, it is a little inferior in black levels,retention but better in color accuracy,details and equal or better to v20 in contrast.

The competitor to VT20 or VT25 is the Samsung 7000 and 8000 plasma which again is slightly inferior in terms of blacks,retention but better in many aspects including the ones i mentioned above.

There is also the LG PX950 which is another amazing option for a 3D plasma.

Both have their advantage and disadvantage so its a personal choice really.

 

[rahulsanwal]

hi everyone
i have bought a v20 50 inches,my problem is with tatasky plus sd broadcast on v20,its very mediocre and have lot of dithering,here everyone has discussed this but no one has posted solution for how to get it better,can someone help,i have connected it through pioneer receiver.I will but tatasky hdplus once it gets lauched. I must admit though that movie through blu ray is jus outstanding and ultimate.

 

[Kittu]

hi everyone
i have bought a v20 50 inches,my problem is with tatasky plus sd broadcast on v20,its very mediocre and have lot of dithering,here everyone has discussed this but no one has posted solution for how to get it better,can someone help,i have connected it through pioneer receiver.I will but tatasky hdplus once it gets lauched. I must admit though that movie through blu ray is jus outstanding and ultimate.

That is a common problem with SD content on large tvs no matter what receiver you use / what cables ? .. The quality of the telecast is not upto the size of tv. Things like these are hard to notice on small LCDS, but on a 50inch plasma its quite visible. Try use the size menu to adjust to the best size to avoid dithering... Other than that hope for the quality of transmission to improve.

Any one can add some tips here..

 

[Gfreeman]

A question to all ye deliriously squealing V20 fans - what is the nearest competitor to this TV 42" or lesser size?

Or if you could not buy this V20 model for some reason, which other model would you pick? hyeah:

I am umm contemplating this purchase by March/April so ...

Edit: So is it confirmed that the V20 as sold in India is really the G20 panel branded as V20 as posted earlier? A fraud pulled by Panny to hoodwink "stupid" Indian consumers?

Cheers

If you are waiting all the way till April then by May end early June you should easily have the successor to the V20 in stores by then.

You could look at the 50 inch versions of the C550 and PK550. Availability is an issue on the PK550 off late . Not sure about the C550. There are a couple of known issues on these sets though, like the Panny
The LG is better off in terms of banding and issues like floating blacks on the V20 as i had the chance of playing around with the settings on both these TVs(one at my home and the other at my friends place) Apart from these i find the Panny better(better blacks,image retention,brightness,etc)

The C6500 like Rajapraveen mentioned would also be something you could at but its black level performance is surprisingly subpar for a plasma (reportedly almost 3-4 times worse than the V20, more than twice as worse as the LG) which makes it worse than many LCDs. But apart from it there's plenty of positives as well over the V20 (reduced banding and an excellent upscaling chip a trait of recent Samsung TVs). You may hardly notice any other differences between these sets.

Well, we could say a lot of Asian customers are stupid then because the V20 is sold with the same features across a large part of Asia excluding Japan and maybe a few other countries

 

[boneyn2000]

a. Name the source.
b. Name the source file.
c. Is this playing off the USB port?
d. Are you saying an LCD is better than a Plasma when it comes to motion?
e. Have you tried watching the same on an LCD.

Any Idea what is the present rate for the 50 inch V20 in Mumbai.

 

[longshanks]

The C6500 like Rajapraveen mentioned would also be something you could at but its black level performance is surprisingly subpar for a plasma (reportedly almost 3-4 times worse than the V20, more than twice as worse as the LG) which makes it worse than many LCDs. But apart from it there's plenty of positives as well over the V20 (reduced banding and an excellent upscaling chip a trait of recent Samsung TVs). You may hardly notice any other differences between these sets.

Oh no, the Samsung plasma (6500,7000,8000 series) black level is only slightly below V20 and it gets closer to V20 with every firmware update while the V20 is loosing its black level as it ages. These Samsung plasma's definitely have much better black levels compared to the LG plasma and even the Panasonic g20.

I ve compared the Samsung plasma with Sony and Philips LCD and must the real time black looks so much better.

here you go:

Chad's(THX/ISF calibrator) ranking.

reviews

Review: Samsung PN50C7000 plasma
Using the same Milori Trichromat meter as always with plasmas and covering the screen with a black blanket to block any ambient light, black level read between .006 and .007 fL, and checkerboard contrast measured around 3050:1.

The above measurements are again not with the most recent version of the firmware.

Review: Panasonic TC-P65VT25 plasma

I have since redone the measurements on a 54VT25, using the same methods and meter, and obtained better results: black measured around .005 fL and checkerboard contrast was 2125:1, both welcome improvements and probably more typical of most VT25s. Checkerboard (modified ANSI) contrast measured the same in day and night mode.
I have looked for signs of floating blacks in 2.40:1 movies



IMO after 2000-2500 hrs of usage VT25,V20,VT20,C6500,7000,8000 will all have the same black levels.

Chad even sated this in his reply for a member asking for suggestion between the top Samsung and LG and Panasonic plasma:

"The Samsung is my personal favorite, though really I would be happy with any of the plasmas mentioned. All 3 are excellent. The PK550 may be the best bang for the buck."

LG has the worst retention and black levels between the three major plasma's but even that is better than any LCD in real time usage and not full on or off.Even when compared between all three plasma's the blacks will have a noticeable diff only in a dark room.

 

[mohanbu]

Hi,
Go For 650VA Back UPS ES650 @2900

This UPS outputs square wave. Is it safe to use with a plasma TV which expects sine wave? Any effects on the long run?

What is the backup time that you are getting with this UPS?

 

[Kittu]

This UPS outputs square wave. Is it safe to use with a plasma TV which expects sine wave? Any effects on the long run?

What is the backup time that you are getting with this UPS?

Go for pure signwave inverter... or a signwave ups..... And the disclaimer on all AV products is not to use on inverter/ups power. If used warranty is void... (as if we tell them we used ups power ) ...

 

[rajanvinod]

Hiya Guys - I recently bought P42V20D... Check out the pictures...

http://www.hifivision.com/what-shou...-viera-plasma-th-p42v20d-xclusive-images.html

 

[rupakb24]

I hope this is the right place to put forward my source of irritant. I had bought V20 last September @68K with freebies thrown in. No complain as such but the absence of a dedicated button for channel swap is getting on my nerve as day passes. For a TV worth 68k, I was hoping this feature to be available ( as it is in lower grade and older TVs). Is there any way to sort out? I have searched the forum but couldn't find anything relating to this irritation.

Regards,

 

[Bharath2481]

Hello People ,

Baught home a Panny P42V20D on 2nd Feb 2011
must say I have no regrets
awsome picture quality (Tatasky HD)
Am delighted and thankful to all the fellow members whose views and suggestion helped me in the buy.

Thanks and Regards

 

[haisaikat]

One quick question, I see on the specs of V20 vs U20 that the former says 1080 lines of Moving Picture Resolution which is 900 in the later. Can anyone explain me what is this difference?

Also what would be the equivalent lines in LG 50pk550 or SAMSUNG 50c550 or 50c450?

 

[rajanvinod]

I hope this is the right place to put forward my source of irritant. I had bought V20 last September @68K with freebies thrown in. No complain as such but the absence of a dedicated button for channel swap is getting on my nerve as day passes. For a TV worth 68k, I was hoping this feature to be available ( as it is in lower grade and older TVs). Is there any way to sort out? I have searched the forum but couldn't find anything relating to this irritation.

Regards,

Dear Rupak - One reason why no one complained about channel swap feature is because most, if not all, have switched over to one or more forms of DTH service wherein you need to use the service provider's remote. You may find the swap option in these remote. Trust that answers your query.

 

[bournurplusher]

Hello People ,

Baught home a Panny P42V20D on 2nd Feb 2011
must say I have no regrets
awsome picture quality (Tatasky HD)
Am delighted and thankful to all the fellow members whose views and suggestion helped me in the buy.

Thanks and Regards

qote price,shop deatails & freebies

 

[vramak]

One quick question, I see on the specs of V20 vs U20 that the former says 1080 lines of Moving Picture Resolution which is 900 in the later. Can anyone explain me what is this difference?

Also what would be the equivalent lines in LG 50pk550 or SAMSUNG 50c550 or 50c450?

Though screen resolution is 1920x1080, most TVs will not be able to refresh all the 1080 lines for each frame of a video because of technological limitations. So, on an average the TV will display less than 1080 new lines on each frame.

In practice, more moving picture resolution means that video will look slightly sharper. Very few manufacturers publish moving picture resolution numbers, so it's not possible to know it for all TVs. But generally, high end full HD plasmas will have MPR of 1000+ and budget full HD plasmas will have values of less than 900. Usually LCD/LED TVs have even lower MPR. But, as I said, in practice, the difference is only a slight increase/decrease in video sharpness.

 

[rupakb24]

Dear Rupak - One reason why no one complained about channel swap feature is because most, if not all, have switched over to one or more forms of DTH service wherein you need to use the service provider's remote. You may find the swap option in these remote. Trust that answers your query.

Yeah, that's correct. It's an expensive way of getting round the problem.Lol.

 

[haisaikat]

Though screen resolution is 1920x1080, most TVs will not be able to refresh all the 1080 lines for each frame of a video because of technological limitations. So, on an average the TV will display less than 1080 new lines on each frame.

In practice, more moving picture resolution means that video will look slightly sharper. Very few manufacturers publish moving picture resolution numbers, so it's not possible to know it for all TVs. But generally, high end full HD plasmas will have MPR of 1000+ and budget full HD plasmas will have values of less than 900. Usually LCD/LED TVs have even lower MPR. But, as I said, in practice, the difference is only a slight increase/decrease in video sharpness.

Any idea what is the approx MPR for the SONY 46EX710 or the SONY 46HX800? Any way of knowing that from the specs immediately?

 

[vramak]

Any idea what is the approx MPR for the SONY 46EX710 or the SONY 46HX800? Any way of knowing that from the specs immediately?

Unfortunately, very few manufactures quote motion resolution figures and Sony isn't one of them. CNET usually tests motion resolution in their reviews. I found from CNET reviews that both HX803 and EX700 had 900-1000 lines with motion processing turned on and 300-400 lines with motion processing turned off. But according to CNET themselves, even this apparently poor motion resolution doesn't have a signification impact when watching movies.

You don't have to worry about video resolution but the general understanding is that plasmas will look slightly sharper than LCDs/LEDs with all video processing options turned off. But higher end LCDs/LEDs have excellent video processors, so you can turn them on and enjoy plasma-like video quality on them.